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Post by Deacon » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:57 pm

Yeah, why? Though POS it is not, I assure you :)

Don't feel bad, Arres, it doesn't matter who drives the truck as long as its available to tow or haul whatever you need ;) I came THIS CLOSE to going with a half ton, but in the end I'm so glad I went big, as I've ended up using every bit of its rated capacity, and without losing out on fuel mileage much because of that fantastic diesel engine. I get better mileage than a friend with an '06 F150, anyway... Plus I can pull a lot more with it :D

Edit: here's approximately what my truck will look like with the Ranch Hand full replacement bumpers. I don't really need the headache rack, so I'm just going to save that money...

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Post by raptor9k » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:51 am

The hitch is a Pullrite Superglide automatic slider. All together it was around $3200 for the hitch, rails, and under bed mounting system plus labor for the installation. The reason I went with this particular hitch was to prevent trailer on cab loving if my wife ever has to pull our camper. Theft isn't a major concern but anyone that knows what they are looking at might get ideas. Plus with a bed cover I don't lose as much bed space as I would with a chest style toolbox.

Yes lucksi I have a warranty out to 125k miles but if I don't claim on it I get $4k cash back when it runs out. I'll soak up the $300 I spent on shocks and save the warranty on something major like a cracked head or new transmission should the need arise.

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Post by Deacon » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:16 am

That's a pretty slick hitch setup. I wasn't aware of that. Does it preclude a gooseneck? Seems like a good way to keep people from screwing up too badly when they don't pull a trailer. Either way I have standard 5th wheel rails and never had a problem with a slider. Luckily my 5er came with a great gooseneck adapter so I don't have to swap out hitches unless I have to move a friend's around.

Deacon wrote:Let me know how the jackrabbit works out. Looks like a better choice than a toolbox for short beds like mine...
raptor9k wrote:Plus with a bed cover I don't lose as much bed space as I would with a chest style toolbox.
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Post by raptor9k » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:49 pm

There is an adapter plate for goose necks that fits the rails for my setup. I don't have a goose neck yet so I haven't bought that part yet. They also now have an auto slider that fits standard rails if you ever end up with an older 5th wheel that doesn't have an extended pin box and rounded corners.
The sucky part is the hitch is a little over 200 lbs and doesn't come apart like a B&W so I had to hang a chain fall in my garage to facilitate loading it in the bed. I love that I have a flat bed when the hitch is out. Worth the extra money for me.

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Post by Deacon » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:34 pm

raptor9k wrote:They also now have an auto slider that fits standard rails if you ever end up with an older 5th wheel that doesn't have an extended pin box and rounded corners.
I'm curious as to how it really works, mechanically, to understand how it handles the forces of acceleration and braking without slamming back and then forward, respectively. My buddy's 5th wheel is a ~38 foot monster, a nice mid/late 80's Prairie Schooner he's done some work on (and sprung over for getting around on untamed ranches), and it has a massive, squared-off overhang with the pin placed smack in the middle of it, not reaching out in front like my puny 2001 24-footer. Even with his 8 foot bed, he still prefers to use a normal slider hitch for maneuvers.
The sucky part is the hitch is a little over 200 lbs and doesn't come apart like a B&W so I had to hang a chain fall in my garage to facilitate loading it in the bed. I love that I have a flat bed when the hitch is out. Worth the extra money for me.
Good lord. Is it full of a hydraulic fluid and nodular iron or something? And yeah, the rails aren't my favorite thing in the world. It's worked out a total of one (1) time to be convenient to have them. If I'd known my eventual 5er purchase would already be set up for a gooseneck, I probably would've just put in a turn-over ball.
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Post by raptor9k » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:17 am

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There is a half moon track underneath it that an arm connected to the hitch head travels along. You have to have a capture plate on the kingpin that engages the hitch head. When you turn the truck the capture plate holds the hitch head in relative position with the trailer which causes the arm to move along the track and draw the hitch head toward the back of the bed.

Downsides - You have to have the capture plate to use the hitch, it won't lock up without it. You can't turn further than 90 degrees to get into a tight spot.

Upsides - You can't turn further than 90 degrees and jack up your trailer. Its physically impossible for the trailer to contact the truck unless you're on an incline and the underside of the trailer smacks the bedrails. The hitch is major league over engineered (hence the weight). The entire thing is better than quarter inch steel and the moving parts are better than half inch steel. You don't have to use a lube disk or grease as there is no movement between the hitch and kingpin. You just hit the sliding rails with some graphite spray and you're good. I usually hit the hitch head and the cam track with some wd40 just to be safe and to ease hooking up. There's no huge locking arm with safety pins; when the plate engages the head it triggers the spring loaded latch to slide in behind it. To unlock you just lift the lever and pull it open.

I don't really like the compatibility issue with other trailers but I only pull my trailer so its not a huge issue for me. The peace of mind knowing my truck is safe far outweighs any downside for me.
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Post by Deacon » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:29 am

Sounds like a pretty cool idea. And expensive to match.

I'd watch it with the WD40. It's not intended to act as a lubricant much at all, more water displacement, and it will attract dust and other particles and form grime. That graphite spray you have or some other higher end stuff would be better, something like Molyfilm or Dryphite from Kano.

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Post by Arres » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:55 pm

I'm observing! But like I said, it's my wife's truck. I'm fascinated, but not INTERESTED, you see. Some day I might be, as we plan to own horses. When that happens, I might suddenly care about towing capacities and ease of trailer hook up and do I have sufficient testosterone to own a Hemi.....until then though, it's my wife's truck. :P
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Post by Deacon » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:17 pm

Forget the Hemi. Diesel is where it's at :)
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Post by Arres » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:48 pm

Heh. Her father (who does currently own horses) has a dualie(sp?) diesel. Since I bow to him as an expert in the areas of cowboy style manliness, that is probably the direction we would have headed.
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Post by ampersand » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:28 am

And here I am having used WD-40 for the wrong thing altogether.

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Post by Deacon » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:25 am

For household use it's probably fine :) There are many better things to use for most applications, though. I swear by Kano products.
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Post by raptor9k » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:44 pm

Oddly enough Wd40 is mentioned by name in the product manual. The main mechanism is lubricated with grease. You only have to do it about once a year though.

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Post by Deacon » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Heh, they probably figure it'll be good enough and most people know what it is and have some around the house...
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Post by raptor9k » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:34 pm

So, I no longer have the F250. It started making odd noises at idle last week, which turned out to be the primary water pump failing at 88k miles. They kept it 4 days with no loaner (this is why I hate dealing with the local ford stealership). My factory warranty was up in June but I still had an extended warranty on the truck that took care of the $1k parts and labor for the water pump. This got me thinking though, about this truck potentially costing me a lot of money in the near future. My extended warranty requires proof that all maintenance was done which I don't have (I did it myself and didn't know to keep receipts on oil/filters/etc. until a year or so ago). They paid for it this time but if the truck had cracked a head I most likely would've been out $6k+ in repair costs. I know of 3 local trucks with 6.7s that have had this happen and every time it was shortly after lapse of the factory warranty. Then my brother calls me up and tells me the local GM dealer has some pretty good deals going. I looked online and he got them to pull the truck I liked and let me drive it a few days. Friday I picked the F250 up at the Ford Dealer and drove it straight to the GM dealer to trade it.

$32k on trade with a cracked windshield and a huge scratch down one side of the bed + $8k off on the new one (2015) + free B&W turnover ball installed seemed like a decent enough deal. I'll easily pay it off by June of next year if I don't want to deal with the $260/mo payment.

New truck is a White 2015 GMC Sierra 2500HD SLT Z71 with the 6.0L gas V8 (360hp/380ft-lbs) and 4.10 rearend. They ordered it with the Tow mirrors and sprayed in bedliner. I weighed the pros and cons on gas vs diesel and decided I don't really need it right now enough to justify the extra $8k. I'm towing 12k max right now on flat(ish) ground and the next trailer will likely be 14k max. The next truck will probably be a Denali diesel but for now I've got all I need. I get an awesome dealership as part of the deal as weel. My loaner while they install my hitch is a 2015 Denali Diesel (go heated steering wheel). I'll miss my keypad but the onStar app is pretty awesome. The only thing I lose on the new truck is vented seats, new ones are just heated, and the sun roof. The interior on the new one is much nicer, much quieter (even discounting engine noise differences), and the ride is a little smoother.

I'll post an update after I pull the trailer with it but so far I'm enjoying it immensely.

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