BtEO wrote:It's going back to the 'convicted rapists don't realise or accept that what they did was rape' — somewhere in their education they learnt things that are not correct.
Everyone in prison is innocent. If you don't believe me, ask them. Regardless, I don't really see how you can "fix" a broader cultural problem like that. And that assumes that any significant number of these protestations are even sincere. I think your example of wearing a low cut top means a woman screaming and fighting against a man who takes her anyway and thinking it's justified isn't actually a real thing, or at least only insomuch as it falls in with the numbers of people out there with legitimate mental/social disorders. No matter how much rap you listen to or whatever the prevailing "bad influence" of the day happens to be, that's not going to be something any man that is even halfway normal in our western society thinks and acts on, and even fewer are going to be so legitimately delusional that they will honestly and sincerely say they didn't realize it was an issue.
Now, your example some young and immature, horny, drunk frat dude stumbling across a blacked out girl in one of the upstairs bedrooms at a party and taking advantage of the situation? That seems more plausible. But even in that kind of corner case, I can't see him later, sober, arguing that it was totally cool.
I think its fair to suggest that some part of the way we as a society interact with young men is sending different messages than those women get, and sometimes those messages lead to sexual assault when the perpetrator should have realised their actions were not OK.
I guess I'm pretty much calling bullshit on that guy truly not realizing his actions were not OK.
I'm not sure I have an answer for that as it would be something not seen since the dawn of civilisation. I would hesitate to call it a utopia — bad people would still do bad things; but merely being born female (or black, or gay, or trans, etc…) would not leave you more likely to encounter certain types of crime, especially ones as traumatising as rape.
What? Let me make sure I understand you correctly: you suggest that early homo sapiens
social groups were paragons of social equality, wherein rape was rare and equally distributed in terms of perpetrators and victims between males and females, and outliers like gays and outsiders from other tribes weren't subject to persecution or violence? I'm honestly not sure what to make of that. Did humans even vary at all in skin color at the dawn of civilization?
That said, I can see what you're getting at in general, and while it sounds good I can't help but wonder if it's even really possible. You'd basically have to change human nature itself. We're animals, literally and metaphorically. You say that "bad people would still do bad things" in such a way that you can define universal "bad things" and that there are "bad people" with the implied inverse that there's such a thing as "good people" as well. Cultural and social judgments regarding what's "bad" can vary wildly, of course, but even then there are so many gray areas and hairs to be split. Is it "bad" for a woman to go out in public without her face covered? In some parts of the world, men may shake their heads and say, "Sometimes there are just bad women who do bad things." Is it bad to kill another human? What if they're attacking you? What if they're part of an army trying to kill your family and take your home? Some would argue it doesn't matter, some would disagree. Now extrapolate that to something as complex and nuanced as sexuality and the current murky area of what even constitutes "rape" in the first place, with the added complexity of being something that usually occurs between two flawed and individuals with their unique interpretation of events, often influenced by some substance or another. I think that's part of the problem, that it's not as black and white as you're suggesting and definitely not as much as some government bureaucracy's PSA.