The second amendment

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Re: The second amendment

Post by NorthernComfort » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:03 pm

Oh, look, another worst-mass-shooting-in-US-history.

I'm sure if only those concert-goers were sufficiently armed, they would have quickly turned around and shot that bastard out of the 32nd story window at 500+ yards. After all the only thing that stops a bad guy with 23 guns is a... hmm.

AR-15s, 70-round drums, gatling gun cranks, bipods... none of them belong in civilian hands in a decent society.
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Re: The second amendment

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Re: The second amendment

Post by NorthernComfort » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:06 pm

Yeah, this society is sick beyond belief. What drives somebody to do this? I have no idea.
Would the death toll have been any lower had he bought/rented/stolen a semi and simply driven through the crowd?
Yes, because there are walls around the concert grounds. In other words, the government sees an out-of-control car as a lethal weapon and took some precautionary measures (building barriers) to prevent it from happening.
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Re: The second amendment

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Re: The second amendment

Post by NorthernComfort » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:39 pm

There's a wall on the side facing Las Vegas Blvd. I don't know if a semi could get through and honestly I don't really want to think about it.

The comparison that keeps popping into mind is the 2nd battle of Fallujah, which was some of the fiercest fighting in the Iraq War. Over the first week, we lost 54 Americans, with 425 wounded. One week of actual urban warfare can have similar loss of life as a few minutes of an asshole with some ARs, 70-round drums, a gatling crank, and a tripod.

What can we possible do to protect ourselves and others?

1. Never attend a large-scale event which might be a tempting target to a mass murderer.
2. Move to states where mass shootings are rare (Hawaii tops my list there due to remoteness, self-selecting culture, and regulation)
3. Pass legislation which would ban high-capacity drums and gatling cranks.
4. Fix our culture
5. Move to Mars.

I'm doing #1, investigating #2, and hahahahaha yeah right on #3.

I'd put money on #5 being possible before #4.
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Re: The second amendment

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Re: The second amendment

Post by NorthernComfort » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:13 pm

Yeah, I understand how easy it is to print or just manufacture the parts you need. But let's say you have a population of 100 people that want to commit mass murder. Some of them will have the access or technical capability to 3d print or otherwise manufacture the parts. Some won't, they won't know how, won't have the money, won't have the parts. Maybe now you have less than 100 people. So I still think it's worth the ban.

I don't want any door-to-door insanity. That's just asking for endless bloodshed. Announce a date where they are illegal, set up drop-off points for citizens to drop off their 70-round drums in exchange for some base compensation. Not everybody will do that, but some will. And then make them illegal to possess, so that when somebody is caught with one, they are facing prison time. Will that magically get rid of all 70-round drums? No, but it will get rid of some of them, and make them much harder to acquire.

There is no silver bullet to this, but we need to start making some baby steps. Right now our strategy is "fuck it" and that's not a society which I think anybody really wants to live in or pass on to next generation.

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